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The 2016 U.S. presidential election of Donald Trump is not even one week old and it is already paying cultural dividends. The very same people who for months worried about the sanity of the Mr. Trump’s supporters are melting down. Hollywood activists like Joss Whedon are using coup-like rhetoric, protesters are destroying private property, and Safe Space America advocates are terrified because voters would not allow them to turn the nation into a giant college campus.

And then we have artist Humberto Ramos, a man who so desperately wants a safe space that he is refusing to attend conventions in “red states.”

His Nov. 11 Facebook post is one for the ages, but for all the wrong reasons.

Continue on, dear reader, as I break it down into its many embarrassing elements.

“I remember my first trip to the USA as a life changing event, it was 1992 and for the first time I arrived to the land of opportunity, where dreams come true. I felt I got to the place where everything was possible if you work hard for it, so I did and that hard work paid off as a wonderful career filled with success and personal pride for the achievements accomplished but no professional goal could even get close to what it is to me the thing I thank the most about my job, the amazing chance to meet people from a different country, a different culture and background a different language who became my friends, people both colleagues and fans who honored me with their sincere friendship and love, their care and warmth. Every single time I’ve step into the USA I felt at home some of people I get to see at every show I am invited to have slowly but strongly turn into my second family, some of them I even get to see them more frequently than my blood family, I always felt welcome to the USA until last Wednesday, November 9.”

Humberto Ramos came to the U.S. decades ago with the idea that The American Dream was attainable — and within a short amount of time his theory was verified through hard work and determination. He felt nothing but “care and warmth” from the vast majority Americans.

“I, as well as the rest of the world witnessed with more sadness than horror how that map in the TV screen turned red a color that means stop, danger or beware I couldn’t believe my eyes. I understand politics and also understand that every single person is entitled to a political orientation which I can agree with or not, I have dear close friends whose political orientation is the total opposite to mine, I’ve always respected that and will keep respecting because I strongly believe this is the only way this insane world can heal…. through respect.”

The artist acknowledges that he has met many “red state” friends, who have done nothing but wish him the best in his personal and professional endeavors.

 “I understand the needs and the urge for a change in a way that make us hope for a better future to our families, believe me, we in Mexico sadly know that better than no one else. I respect when you choice for a fresh new approach, I respect the right for this country I admire to vote different from what us outside the USA wish. but when the new elected president’s very first campaign speech address me, a Mexican who constantly visit your country I can’t but take his sayings as a personal offense, when he said Mexicans where …. well, all the things he said I thought: nobody will take this guy for real, I thought he will say he crossed the line an apologize, I thought he as a candidate for a respectful party will moderate ….. never happened.”

Yes, Donald Trump’s Republican primary speech certainly addressed Mexicans. What Mr. Ramos leaves out is that the future president-elect was talking about people who are entering the country illegally.

The Washington Post reported June 16, 2015:

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people.

It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably — probably — from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.

Reasonable people have concluded that Mr. Trump did a horrible job articulating his point, but he was clearly talking about illegal immigration and the problems that come from having no control over the southern border. Humberto Ramos apparently cannot make a distinction between legal and illegal entry into the United States, but at least 60 million Americans (many of them Hispanic) had no trouble doing so on Nov. 8.

Mr. Ramos continued:

 “After witnessing the USA election I will be respectful of the decision taken and I will keep respecting your country, your people and your laws, but also and above all I respect myself and my country and I don’t take for granted Mr. Trump’s speech and the people to hear it and embrace it, I know when I’m not welcome and I won’t expose myself to be offended or mistreated, there is no need.

So I want to communicate that four at least the next 4 years I decide NOT to attend to any conventions that take place in the red states, those states who voted for Mr. Trump, those states where I am clearly not welcome.

For the fans. I ask your understanding and support. Hey, we can meet in many shows across your beautiful country but please understand I can’t go to a house I’m not being invited, the vote clearly says that.”

Your friendly neighborhood blogger lives in a “blue” state and has “blue”-favoring relatives, but I am not actively looking for a new home or avoiding family members.

Unlike Mr. Ramos, I am mature enough to understand that just because someone favors a different public policy than me, it does not mean I am “not welcome” in their presence.

“One last thing, I love the USA and I love your people, those who share love and care, to all you we from the world beg you, don’t let the bullying an hatred win, we stand with you … make America great. Yes, you can.”

That is great advice, but it seems as though it should be applied to left-wing activists like Joss Whedon.

“This is simple: Trump cannot CANNOT be allowed a term in office,” the Save The Day Super PAC creator tweeted Monday. “It’s not about 2018. It’s about RIGHT NOW.”

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Question: Who should Humberto Ramos fear more — Donald Trump, who only wants to deport people who entered the country illegally while millions of others respect our immigration laws, or guys like Joss Whedon?

All sovereign nations have immigration laws (do a little homework on how Mexico treats immigrants from Latin America), but not all of them have millionaire Hollywood activists who use coup rhetoric when elections don’t go their way. One would think Mr. Whedon would be a bit more responsible with his words now that dozens of arrests have been made in Portland, Oregon, due to destruction wrought by left-wing protesters.

Finally, this post would not be complete without mentioning Dan Slott (who seemingly deactivated his Twitter account Monday because he too needs a temporary safe space from all the Donald Trump news out there).

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Ask yourself this question: Is it more likely that upon hearing news that Donald Trump would be the 45th commander in chief that racist white people got into their Dukes of Hazzard cars and attacked Muslims, or that most reports were stupid college kids exaggerating the facts, political fights that got out of hand, and outright hoaxes?

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The reason why the Dan Slotts of the world cannot take this new political reality has little to do with anything truly scary about Donald Trump. A political earthquake happened that makes normal people reexamine their existing assumptions about the world, but Dan Slott and his friends are ideologues. Therefore, they have decided to double down on the “Trump is Hitler … Trump is Darth Vader” theory that has been peddled for months.

If I see Mr. Ramos sometimes in the near future within my “blue” state, then I will have two words for him: “Grow up.”

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About the Author Douglas Ernst

I'm a former Army guy who believes success comes through hard work, honesty, optimism, and perseverance. I believe seeing yourself as a victim creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. I believe in God. I'm a USC Trojan with an MA in Political Science from American University.

46 comments

  1. Well said. These meltdowns, these Joss Whedons, they kind of scare me. My facebook is full of people I know trying to figure out to organize protests, how to over throw the results of this election. It’s not just disrespectful towards their fellow citizens who overwhelming supported Trump, it’s disrespectful towards the whole process of our democracy. It’s also so emotionally and ideologically driven, quite authoritarian, really.

    After this off the wall response coming from the left, I’m really feeling like America dodged an epic disaster, that things were pretty dire and we just barely escaped total doom.

    1. “Well said. These meltdowns, these Joss Whedons, they kind of scare me. My facebook is full of people I know trying to figure out to organize protests, how to over throw the results of this election. It’s not just disrespectful towards their fellow citizens who overwhelming supported Trump, it’s disrespectful towards the whole process of our democracy. It’s also so emotionally and ideologically driven, quite authoritarian, really.”

      Joss Whedon should be ashamed of himself for trying to add fuel to the fire. A bunch of stupid people in cities like Portland are destroying property and getting violent, and his reaction is to try and say Trump “cannot — CANNOT — be allowed a term in office.” Well, Trump won the election. There are very few options to accomplish Joss Whedon’s desired result, and they all would bring about bloodshed.

    2. Overwhelming? You’ve got to be kidding here. What about the million and a half more people that voted Hillary?

      I don’t condone violence, the stupidity of crowds or property damage. But you Tea-Partier patriots got your turn to protest, now it’s ours.

      And I think the doom and disaster you think we collectively dodged is beginning just after inauguration day.

    3. “I don’t condone violence, the stupidity of crowds or property damage. But you Tea-Partier patriots got your turn to protest, now it’s ours.”

      That’s your problem — you have a tit-for-tat partisan mentality that prevents you from seeing the situation more objectively.

  2. Do these people even know what the definition of a bigot is? So much for tolerance. We had a fair and free election. Your candidate lost. DEAL.

    But that’s the problem. They don’t know how to lose. Did conservatives riot when Romney or McCain lost? No, we went back to work.

    I am disgusted with Hollywood and comic creators like George Perez and Humberto Ramos. Did you see what that Kingpin writer said?

    Grow up. No one is trying to hurt you. Everyone that disagrees with you isn’t a racist. And we really just want to be entertained. We want to read freaking comic books.

    You really must learn that you don’t create just for those that think exactly the way you do. Or maybe that’s really the goal– you want to have a safe space club full of those that say “right on!”

    Just realize all of that is what you are supposedly fighting against: hate and bigotry.

    This blog is one of the few remaining connections I have with the comic industry. I will not support it in any way. Writers like Nick Spencer think it’s ok to openly disparage us, and they wonder why they lost!

    Keep it up, and you’ll continue losing. Don’t like what you’re hearing? Try having a conversation versus throwing insults. You’re only going to piss those of us off who dont take kindly to being called racists.

    1. “Do these people even know what the definition of a bigot is? So much for tolerance. We had a fair and free election. Your candidate lost. DEAL. But that’s the problem. They don’t know how to lose. Did conservatives riot when Romney or McCain lost? No, we went back to work.”

      Exactly. When McCain lost in 2008 and I just laughed it off because the Republicans ran a crusty old white guy against a charismatic young black dude with the media and Hollywood at his back. When Romney lost in 2016 I just sulked in my room for about 30 minutes and then went, “Well, it’s back to the grind.” Anyone who on the left who really is that scared about the president of the United States abusing power should really ask why they keep advocating for an ever-expansive federal government.

      “I am disgusted with Hollywood and comic creators like George Perez and Humberto Ramos. Did you see what that Kingpin writer said?”

      I did not hear about the Kingpin write, but feel free to share any links that you think would be worth readers’ attention.

      “Grow up. No one is trying to hurt you. Everyone that disagrees with you isn’t a racist. And we really just want to be entertained. We want to read freaking comic books.”

      Yep. I didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton, but at the same time I had no problem publicly criticizing Donald Trump over his rhetoric on immigration. Heck, I voted for Aleppo Johnson…but I totally understand why 60 million people voted for Trump. To blame it on a “whitelash” as racial activists like Van Jones did is disgusting. Imagine if someone reacted to a political outcome by lamenting a “blacklash” or a “brownlash.” That person would be out of job in a hurry. But because it’s “whitelash” then it’s apparently no big deal. Unreal.

      “You really must learn that you don’t create just for those that think exactly the way you do. Or maybe that’s really the goal– you want to have a safe space club full of those that say ‘right on!’

      I think Dan was getting frustrated that people who pushing back against his obsession with Donald Trump. Left-wing activists are really exposing themselves with Trump’s election. People can see that they are just as dangerous — if not more so — then those they rail against.

      “This blog is one of the few remaining connections I have with the comic industry. I will not support it in any way. Writers like Nick Spencer think it’s ok to openly disparage us, and they wonder why they lost!”

      Their thought process is incredibly interesting: “So, I told a bunch of people they were all racists and then they got super annoyed and voted for someone I didn’t like. Is it possible that I was wrong and should rethink possibly flawed assumptions, or that they’re really just super-racists who need to be yelled at some more? I think I’ll go with the latter option!”

      The next four years is going to be very interesting.

      Keep it up, and you’ll continue losing. Don’t like what you’re hearing? Try having a conversation versus throwing insults. You’re only going to piss those of us off who dont take kindly to being called racists.

    2. Me too, I wont buy/read/watch anything from the Marvel Universe until their stupidity ends. My kids will learn to love DC Comics or nothing at all! Well, okay that isn’t true… there are always manga’s and graphic novels!

      They’re driving away fans, but they won’t stop until the ship their steering crashes and burns.

    3. “My kids will learn to love DC Comics or nothing at all! Well, okay that isn’t true… there are always manga’s and graphic novels!”

      This is only anecdotal evidence, so take it for what it’s worth. But when I’ve been in bookstores across the country (Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City), most of the kids that are congregating by the graphic novel section are looking at manga. That tells me that Marvel and DC are doing something very wrong. A Barnes and Noble crowd is obviously different than a “local comic shop” crowd, but … something still seems off. It appears as though DC is trying to make inroads while Marvel is doubling down on a strategy that simply isn’t working.

  3. well okay there WERE protests after both Obama victories, but on such mass scales and just in terms of sheer numbers and volume (and arrest rates) they weren’t nearly as close or as desperate as the ones pulled after a Trump win. I am not saying that as some leftist parrot, but one who is addressing “no there were protests too, but if you look at population density OF said protests, they just don’t compare hence why the right is more prone to sweeping it under the rug as a bunch of radicals being what they are: radicals.

    Having said that, these weasels don’t even understand the concept of democracy and the rights and freedoms they so desperately want and take for granted ALSO happens to apply to the same people they disagree with and do not realize that by just writing the people who disagree with them off as “bigots” that they are just as hate filled and bigoted and slanted as the opposition. It is a shame when the alleged “Anti-SJW” as it is labelled, which is largely white but loaded to bear with many from the LGBTQ and minorities as well, is far more progressive than the so-called radical left “social justice warriors” that preach tolerance and sensitivity through violence and hate in radical left authoritarianism.

    Canada itself is struggling with this concept via Bill C-16, which makes it a crime worth two years imprisonment for misgendering somebody and you MUST refer to these people as “Zim” “Xur” “Herm” and all those made up gender pronouns and identities that Tumblr makes up EVERY. SINGLE. DAY! Because gender identity, or willful misgendering, is “harmful to the psyche and against the principles of a free Canadian society,” which is a crock of scatus because we too have free speech laws here and last I checked people aren’t very considerate to me as a personal suffering from mental illness and I have a lot harder times than knowing where to take a piss. Do they consider people like me? Nah, I’m otherwise a straight white cis male, so I am the public enemy.

    Humberto Ramos is also up Slott’s rear end so far that he flosses with the fat man’s dingleberries, so really, am I really shocked that the horrendously bad artist who co-created the Inferior Spider-Shyte is in need of a safe space ode to the fact he got butthurt? Ignoring Trump has kinda sorta 180’d on a lot of his more extreme policies despite hiring cabinet people who DO spook leftists? Nope, fingers in their ears!

    This whole speech reminds me of the dude on CNN who said “this was a Whitelash against a black president!” when in reality those same white people voted for Obama (who won the popular AND electoral votes in 2008 AND 2012.) They only switched sides largely because like most people, they got sick and tired of being told they were horrible people and given the same cold shoulder tactics that most minorities have felt for decades and like those same minorities, pushed back against it. The left would tell you “but it’s different! YOU’RE IN POWER!” ummm, no, racism is judgment based on ethnicity regardless of “who has power” and who does not. I struggle to make ends meet and that dude screaming Whitelash? Makes 6-7 figure salary as a black man! So how does that make any sense? What power do I have exactly? Dude wears custom designer suits, I can barely afford something out of goodwill half the time. I’m sorry, but you can’t use that logic because you are using racism to justify your “people” have been bigoted against for far longer. Two wrongs will never make a right, and trying to justify it is why people react in the EXACT SAME WAY you react when you feel “oppressed” because the “taste of your own medicine” routine will cause people to react IN the same way. And these people DARE to preach tolerance and love when that’s the biggest facade since Professional Wrestling? By the Force, the sheer stupidity knows no bounds…

    These people DESERVE to get their comic sales to tank with this logic to DC Comics. Is it any wonder now why Rebirth worked so well for as long as it did to the point Marvel Comics needed a gimmick of new #1s to FINALLY break the streak? They are so high on the MCU that they don’t realize that their stories aren’t hot ****; they’re JUST ****. Period. Full Stop.

  4. What a baby. People today really are pathetic. When Obama won in 2008 and 2012, I didn’t riot, nor did I threaten to overthrow the government. I didn’t threaten to leave the country, either. Oh, and there weren’t any riots after Obama won. That shows you one thing: the immaturity of Clinton’s supporters (that whole “I’m with Her” crap sounded like a cult) and modern liberals in general.

    Let’s put this way: I learned a long time ago now that throwing tantrums won’t help you get your way. I suppose that’s because I had parents who didn’t constantly tell me how special I was nor was I ever given a participation trophy.

  5. This is troubling, it’s like denial of service. To quote Vince Mcmahon from the character assassination piece that was the Self-Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior DVD: “Fans are expecting to see you, and when you don’t show up it’s the worst thing that can happen”

    Perez I can sort of get, he’s had a long fruitful career and was bound to have started winding down convention appearances anyway at his age, Ramos is still in-demand, still young, and his work on Champions helped secure Marvel’s lead in the October 2016 marketshare…him turning down the red states may actually end up HURTING, yes, HURTING, sales of Champions (and given the critical reception to Champions anyway, he and Waid need all the help they can get)

  6. One thing has become increasingly more obvious in the wake of the Trump victory. And that is that the SJB can’t handle not being right.

    I’m British and I understand the need for the Electoral college. I understand it gives a proportional voice to rural communities. I also know that both sides knew what they had to do before the election.

    Liberals should ask where the approx 4m voters disappeared to from 2012 to 2016.

    In the last week I have encountered many crazy stories online. My favourite was a woman who had to take Wednesday off of work to grieve the result.

    As far as Sport is concerned he was threatening to make his Twitter account a “best buds only” one just so he doesn’t see any differing views.

  7. Right, because nobody protested when Obama first got into office, oh except for the thousands of tea-partiers that converged on Washington in 2009.

    http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1922169,00.html

    Congress then set out to install roadblocks to nearly everything Obama set out to do for 8 straight years, including rebuilding the infrastructure (which despite being something Trump ran on, McConnell has come out saying “it’s not a priority”). For the Right, Government only works when they’re the ones in power, which represents a real threat to Democracy.

    Ramos woke up in a country last week that, despite all the progress for minorities, suddenly was revealed to be more racist and uglier than many were aware. Ramos choosing to not go to Red States, and people protesting the presidency of a divisive, racist misogynist like Trump signal to rest of the world (who are surely watching all this go down) that not everyone in America tacitly approves of what the new Government and the people that voted for it in America stands for, and I wholly support Ramos for it.

    Doug, I’ve been coming to this blog for years now, despite the fact that I don’t agree with your politics. I enjoy your write-ups of comics, and as I don’t need a “safe space” from ideology I don’t agree with, I will continue to come here. Never thought I’d be saying this, but Slott, if you’re reading, you need to re-activate your Twitter. We need all the voices out there we can get right now and it’s not the time to turn away.

    1. “Right, because nobody protested when Obama first got into office, oh except for the thousands of tea-partiers that converged on Washington in 2009.”

      You’re right. I was there. It was a natural reaction to upending 1/6 of the U.S. economy through legislation that not a single Republican supported. And when the protesters left, the city was cleaner than when they arrived. Haha! They literally picked up after themselves, which was the complete opposite case with Occupy D.C. The “Occupy” movement tied up traffic and left filth everywhere. That is the truth.

      “For the Right, Government only works when they’re the ones in power, which represents a real threat to Democracy.”

      “The Right” does not believe that. You haven’t been reading your Federalist Papers, Cheesdique. I suggest Federalist 51: “If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.”

      Guys like me see government as a necessary evil. You would have known that if you just asked, but I suppose that would force you to reevaluate your theory on “The Right.”

      I am wholly skeptical of all politicians, as you should be. The federal government has a role to play, but a limited role. One would think places like California would see the value of federalism, states rights, etc., now that they’re all freaking out over the power of the Executive Branch. Ironic, isn’t it?

      “Ramos woke up in a country last week that, despite all the progress for minorities, suddenly was revealed to be more racist and uglier than many were aware.”

      You’re right. Even though he’s lived here for years and has apparently loved the experience, the nation is just crawling with racists. Or not. Maybe there are just millions of people who feel neglected … who want control over the nation’s borders.

    2. ““Ramos woke up in a country last week that, despite all the progress for minorities, suddenly was revealed to be more racist and uglier than many were aware.”

      It’s because of comments like this, Cheesedique, that I voted for Trump. I’m beyond tired of people accusing me of being “racist” because I want to see legal immigration or because I don’t like what Obama has done to this country. Decent people do not like being slimed as “racist,” “sexist,” “homophobic,” and whatever other “isms” people come up with. They’re beyond fed up with it.

    3. “Right, because nobody protested when Obama first got into office …”

      Yeah, because we all know that the president is inaugurated in SEPTEMBER of the year following the election, right? Did you even bother to check the DATE on your link?

      I’m very much like Doug in that I was (am) no big fan of Trump, mainly b/c I don’t believe he’ll enact actual conservative policies. But if his election exposes you SJW zombies for what you really are, it might just be worth it.

    4. “Yeah, because we all know that the president is inaugurated in SEPTEMBER of the year following the election, right? Did you even bother to check the DATE on your link?”

      I too find Cheesedique’s response bizarre. In one case a man one a free and fair election and people (many who didn’t even vote), or destroying private property. In the other case a president signed into law a policy that fundamentally changed the entire health care system without a single Republican vote. It like, “Really? You want to go with that argument? Okay.”

    5. So what planet do you guys live on, where you seem to think Obama got all this support from people and there was nary a word said against him, from the other side of the aisle especially? Where the Conservatives and Ted Cruz didn’t shut down the government in a little petulant protest?

      Not sure where the hostility for the ACA comes from either. It’s set to come in well under spending projections, saving the US $2.6 trillion on health care costs over a five-year period, according to this Fortune article from June this year.

      http://fortune.com/2016/06/21/us-health-care-costs/

      Donnie has already seemingly backed off on “abolishing” it, like he promised on the campaign trail. Seems like they aim to try to remake the ACA in their image and then take the credit for it.

    6. “So what planet do you guys live on, where you seem to think Obama got all this support from people and there was nary a word said against him, from the other side of the aisle especially? Where the Conservatives and Ted Cruz didn’t shut down the government in a little petulant protest?”

      Here’s another problem for you — you’re acting like a jerk by putting forth straw man arguments and then asking “What planet do you guys live on?”

      No one has said the president should be free from criticism. This conversation started in response to someone who is literally refusing — like a baby — to travel to any states that didn’t vote in a free and fair election the way he wanted. Then we began discussing protests that started, again, in response to an election outcome that people didn’t like. Protests that have been going on for days in cities like Portland, Oregon, where over 100 people have been arrested for violence and the destruction of private property.

      That is what we’re talking about. That has nothing to do with anyone claiming the president of any party is beyond reproach. But again, you can’t seem to handle that, so you start smugly asking people what planet they’re on to feel good about yourself and insulate your worldview from damaging criticism.

      “Not sure where the hostility for the ACA comes from either. It’s set to come in well under spending projections, saving the US $2.6 trillion on health care costs over a five-year period, according to this Fortune article from June this year.”

      Did you even read the article you shared, or did you just scan it for a sentence that seemed to make a point you wanted and then go about cutting and pasting? The article says that spending was lower because of the Budget Control Act, which came in part because of the government shutdown you literally just called “petulant.” Which is it? Was it a “petulant” protest by Ted Cruz, or was it a wise decision that guys like you will use to show how awesome Obamacare is?

      More embarrassing for you is a.) the trendlines, b.) “a shift to high deductible health insurance plans,” c.) ACA News that broke (on Forbes) prior to the election — “Obamacare Plan Premiums In 2017 Higher Than Expected And For Worse Coverage” — and d.) the fact that budgetary concerns wouldn’t be problem if the government didn’t take over huge chunks of the entire economy via health care regulation.

      Here’s a suggestion for you, Cheesedique. Instead of always trying to prove that you’re right and that other people live on another “planet,” why don’t you try just having an adult conversation that is free of snark? That way you can see things how they are instead of the way you want them to be.

      What is more likely: That Donald Trump voters are all a bunch of racists like Dan Slott says, or that millions of people who voted for Obama are sick and tired of higher deductibles, higher health care premiums, and worse coverage?

      That doesn’t make for a good SNL skit, so I guess guys like Dan will stick with the whole racism theory.

  8. The ACA is a big reason why my mom lost her job at a medical device company last year, so please, tell me how “great” it is. Now she works a part-time job where she makes half of what she did at her previous job. Again, tell me how “great” it is. Also, my dad had a heart attack last year and has had to go to multiple appointments, none of which have been covered by the crappy insurance we have now as a result of Obamacare.

    Oh, and I live on Earth, by the way. Not sure what planet you live on, though.

    1. “The ACA is a big reason why my mom lost her job at a medical device company last year, so please, tell me how “great” it is. Now she works a part-time job where she makes half of what she did at her previous job. Again, tell me how “great” it is. Also, my dad had a heart attack last year and has had to go to multiple appointments, none of which have been covered by the crappy insurance we have now as a result of Obamacare.

      Oh, and I live on Earth, by the way. Not sure what planet you live on, though.”

      Your comment demonstrates nicely why I told Cheesdique that it might not be a good idea to smugly ask people what “planet” they live on when it comes to observations about the political landscape. Many, many other families are sharing your pain right now as a result of ACA. Trying to pretend that they don’t exist or that they are exaggerating the strain on their family finances is what helped Donald Trump to victory on Nov. 8.

  9. “Not sure where the hostility for the ACA comes from either. It’s set to come in well under spending projections, saving the US $2.6 trillion on health care costs over a five-year period…”

    You’re gaslighting. You’re trying to tell people they don’t know the truth and reality of their own experience. I work in health care. I have no insurance. We shut down our business of 30 years, Couldn’t afford all the regulations anymore.

    1. “You’re gaslighting. You’re trying to tell people they don’t know the truth and reality of their own experience. I work in health care. I have no insurance. We shut down our business of 30 years, Couldn’t afford all the regulations anymore.”

      I said this in a previous post, but I have worked at three different organizations since Obamacare was signed into law. At all three organizations they had to get worse plans that took more out of my paycheck. That is not me living on a different “planet,” as Cheesedique would say. That is me living in my home and looking at my bank account through a laptop. The reason why Cheesedique’s straw man arguments and personal attacks do not work is because tens-of-millions of Americans are sharing in our experience. President Obama over-promised and under-delivered on ACA (and that’s putting it nicely). That is why the Democratic Party has been hammered in the past few election cycles. It has nothing to do with racism.

  10. “You’re gaslighting. You’re trying to tell people they don’t know the truth and reality of their own experience.”

    People’s own experience, to folks like the appropriately named commenter, are RACIST. (In this case, at least. It varies depending on the intentions of the originator.) 😉

    1. And 20 million who didn’t have coverage now have it, including presumably many of these “disenfranchised white voters” who helped Trump sail to an Electoral victory. Insurance companies can’t discriminate on preexisting conditions anymore. These are big strides for people. These are concessions NOBODY would’ve got if conservatives had their way.The ACA has a ways to go, but clearly it won’t be repealed outright like Trump promised you on the campaign trail.

      The greatest trick the Republicans pull on voters is getting them to vote against their own self-interests. And thus far, the newest “political outsider” is still surrounded by the same lobbyists, donors, the same party hacks as before, and yes, fringe racists like Bannon.

      The Right Wing will deserve what they get with Trump, but everyone else, not so much.

    2. “The greatest trick the Republicans pull on voters is getting them to vote against their own self-interests.”

      You have learned nothing from this election. I didn’t vote for Trump, but I’m not so full of myself that I would dare to say that people who are struggling to pay for rising health care costs … who lost their doctor after being promised they could keep their doctor … are voting against their self interest.

      “The Right Wing will deserve what they get with Trump, but everyone else, not so much.”

      You keep saying “Right Wing” in a way that is incredibly broad and nebulous. I have worked in pretty much every facet of the conservative movement, but yet you have not once asked me to describe its internal workings or asked questions about what grassroots activists believe. Telling.

    3. “fringe racists like Bannon”

      You (and Dan Slott) have no evidence whatsoever of this, yet you keep repeating as if it were true.

    4. He called your own William Kristol “a renegade Jew”.

      “– In an interview with Mother Jones in August, Bannon acknowledged that white nationalists and anti-Semites are drawn to the so-called “alt-Right” movement.

      “Look, are there some people that are white nationalists that are attracted to some of the philosophies of the alt-right? Maybe,” he said. “Are there some people that are anti-Semitic that are attracted? Maybe. Right? Maybe some people are attracted to the alt-right that are homophobes, right?”

      http://www.cbsnews.com/news/quotes-from-steve-bannon-trumps-new-white-house-chief-strategist/

      I can’t wade through his disgusting talk anymore, I’ll leave it to you to seek out some more of his choice remarks made about women, as well his claim that conservatives need to “bitch-slap the Republican Party”. Enjoy all that.

    5. Asked about the alt-left by CBS News, Cheesedique said, “Look, are there some people that are black nationalists that are attracted to some of the philosophies of the alt-left? Maybe,” he said. “Are there some Muslim people that are anti-Semitic that are attracted? Maybe. Right? Maybe some people are attracted to the alt-left that are anti-Christian, right?”

      See what I did there? Do you get it?

      Yes, we live in a country with about 320 million people. If a man makes a logical statement regarding political movements that exposes some uncomfortable truths, then that isn’t proof that he subscribes the worst elements of his preferred movement. Try again.

    6. Wow, really? Way to equivocate here.

      So, while most of America may not be racist, they were ok with a candidate who said inflammatory things about Mexicans, and who had a history of making disparaging remarks against women and has been accused of sexual assault. Who was endorsed by the KKK. Who’s campaign was run by a man who publicly called someone “a renegade Jew”, and who is himself ok with white nationalists, anti-Semites and homophobes being attracted to his cause.

      For the American voter in the year 2016 putting Trump in the highest office, NONE of these things were deal-breakers.

      To get back to the central point of this discussion, ^ THAT in itself is very telling.

    7. “Wow, really? Way to equivocate here.”

      No. Unlike you, I don’t project my worst fears onto someone when reading their own quotes and I don’t resort to pure conjecture. I’m perfectly fine calling out the hypocrisy of guys like Dan “Go to Christ-Land” Slott, but that’s about where it stops. Is Bannon a guy who uses tactics I vehemently disagree with to achieve political ends? Yes. Do former coworkers say he can be mean and nasty? Yes. Is a a racist? The evidence does not show that.

      “Who was endorsed by the KKK. Who’s campaign was run by a man who publicly called someone “a renegade Jew”, and who is himself ok with white nationalists, anti-Semites and homophobes being attracted to his cause.”

      SPLC — a liberal nonprofit — says there are 8,000 KKK members — MAX in a nation of 320 million people. Why on earth should anyone care if they endorse a candidate? They’re a walking corpse of a racist organization that is only referenced by guys like you to “prove” someone is racist.

      What is the context of the “Renegade Jew” remark? Given that most American secular Jews identify with the Democratic Party, then it makes sense for someone like Bannon to call a conservative Jew a “Renegade.” I would never use that language, but it’s no different than black people who call conservatives “Uncle Tom.” I don’t see you freaking out about that.

      And I hate to tell you, but Bannon has never said he was “okay” with racism. He merely acknowledged that it exists and then when asked by the New York Times he said he wanted nothing to do with it.

      “In an interview, Mr. Bannon, 62, rejected what he called the “ethno-nationalist” tendencies of some in the movement. His interest in populism and American nationalism, he said, has to do with curbing what he sees as the corrosive effects of globalization. And he believes his enemies are misstating his views and those of many Trump followers.” — New York Times, Nov. 14, 2016.

      “To get back to the central point of this discussion, THAT in itself is very telling.”

      Tell the DNC not to rig the system so that guys like Bernie Sanders are denied the nomination, and then tell the DNC not to allow someone who is the epitome of corruption to run for president. It’s pretty simple, really.

      It’s kind of funny how all these guys who suddenly want to do away with the electoral college seem to have zero problem with the DNC’s super-delegates system. Heh.

    8. I see you’re a kind of “ends justify the means” type person. If it means someone like Trump gets into office, regardless of the people he associates with, and despite the racist, sexist, nationalist things they post on their Breitbart website, it’s ok because it prevented Hillary the supervillain from getting in office.

      For the record, I’d also like to see the Electoral College done away with along with the super delegates system, and term limits should be imposed on a Supreme Court that’s become far too politicized.

    9. “I see you’re a kind of ‘ends justify the means’ type person. If it means someone like Trump gets into office, regardless of the people he associates with, and despite the racist, sexist, nationalist things they post on their Breitbart website, it’s ok because it prevented Hillary the supervillain from getting in office.”

      Haha! See what I mean? You literally just did what I said you do. You’re projecting your own fears onto me and then resorting to pure conjecture. And you did it in response to me saying I do not approve of Bannon’s tactics. Classic!

      I didn’t even vote for Trump, yet because I acknowledge Hillary Clinton’s corruption then somehow that’s proof that I think the “ends justify the means”? Unreal.

      Can you be any more of a jerk towards me right now — particularly since you read this blog on a regular basis and must know that I am a man of principle? I distanced myself from Trump in 2011 well before anyone in the conservative movement publicly did so, and this blog has regularly taken “conservative” pundits to task when appropriate.

    10. Sorry man, I really hope wasn’t trying to be a jerk to you or anyone else here on your forum.

      I will continue to stop by to read your comic write-ups, but it’s probably best that I avoid your political ones.

    11. “Sorry man, I really hope wasn’t trying to be a jerk to you or anyone else here on your forum. I will continue to stop by to read your comic write-ups, but it’s probably best that I avoid your political ones.”

      No problem. I just hope you can see how out of line it is to call me an “ends justify the means type person” when I have dedicated an entire blog for well over five years to telling people that the ends do not justify means. I came out against Trump in 2011. I criticized his rhetoric on immigration. I criticized Huckabee’s rhetoric on gay people. I lost readers because of Trump. I lost followers on social media because of Trump.

      That’s fine if you want to disagree with me, but to say I’m an “ends justify the means type of person” was below the belt, given that you come here on a regular basis.

      But if you are sorry, then apology accepted.

    1. When he doesn’t deliver on all his campaign promises like Santa Claus to voters, it will be interesting to see them in revolt.

      I just want to see his master plan for “fixing the inner cities” like he kept crowing about during the debates.

  11. So many egos in comics are bigger than their actual status as employees of a comic book company. Get over your ill perceived faux celebrity status.

    They can cry all they like, what they really need to do is educate themselves on how democracy works.

    IMO, Humberto Ramos churns out some of the ugliest so called artwork in comics, His non proportional anatomy scribblings are an eyesore.

  12. I’ve been seeing this meme show up on Facebook a lot lately:

    Apparently dissent is now patriotic again. For eight years, it was considered “racist.” If Clinton had won, it would be “sexist.” I don’t know who Jay Duplass is, but obviously he’s not very bright; someone i know on Facebook had shared it.

  13. Plus, as one user pointed out, Roosevelt never said anything of the sort. It’s been edited so that it fits this Duplass’s beliefs.

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