Ron Dermer CNN

In a sane world, a terrorist organization that hides rockets in schools, hospitals, civilian homes and religious buildings would be condemned for its actions. In a sane world, moral outrage would swiftly flow in the direction of individuals who use innocent bystanders as shields. Unfortunately, there are a lot of confused people out there, which is why cable news viewers must suffer through hours of footage blaming Israel when children die during the course of war.

On Thursday, Ms. Burnett tried to scold Ron Dermer, Israeli Ambassador to the U.S., over 16 people who died in a U.N. shelter in Gaza. Mr. Dermer decided it was time to call CNN out on its ignorance, and the result was a smack down of epic proportions:

Erin Burnett: Obviously what happened here is horrific and we don’t yet even know the scale of how many children may have died. Initial reports indicate that at least 16 are dead. And the initial reports was that the attack had come from Israeli tanks. As you know, the Israeli military said it may have come from Hamas and a rocket that misfired. Do you know at this point? Do you have any more certainty?

Ron Dermer: I don’t know, but I do know who who is responsible for it, and that’s Hamas because they’re using schools as weapons depots. And I think it would be a disservice to your viewers for a reporter from Gaza not to mention that in the last week we had two different U.N-run schools where we actually had rockets found in the schools and handed over to Hamas. I also think it’s a disservice —

Erin Burnett: These are two different U.N. schools, you’re saying?

Ron Dermer: That’s correct. It’s publicly available information. It’s kind of an important fact for your reporter to mention. And in addition to that, he may have wanted to mention a statement that was made by — not by the Israeli Ambassador, not by the spokesman of the IDF — but by the U.N. Secretary General yesterday. He said this: “The Secretary General is alarmed to hear that rockets were placed in a U.N.-run school in Gaza and that subsequently these have gone missing. He expresses his outrage and regret at the placing of weapons in a U.N. administered school. By doing so…” (Now listen Erin to exactly what he says) “…by doing so, those responsible are turning schools into military targets and endangering the lives of innocent children, U.N. employees working in such facilities, and anyone using the U.N. schools as shelter.” This is yesterday. Do you not think it’s relevant to report on CNN that the Secretary General of the United Nations — yesterday — warned against the use of U.N. schools and shelters for rocket missile details of Hamas?”

Erin Burnett: And ambassador, it is relevant. And let me ask you this…

Ron Dermer: Well, I’ve been listening. I’ve been listening to two hours of reports on CNN. I have seen split screens — horrible pictures — horrible pictures that any decent human being would be horrified by. I have not heard a single person say what I just said to you now. And I think that does a disservice to your viewers to not give them the context they need to make these judgments. Hamas is placing missile batteries in schools, in hospitals, in mosques, and there must be outrage by the world at Hamas to end this.

Ms. Burnett then went on to harangue Mr. Dermer about the need for Israel to take “time” and “confirm” that there are no children in schools before they are fired upon (as if Israel doesn’t already do its best — in war — to avoid civilian casualties). CNN, NBC, MSNBC and other news organizations bend over backwards to avoid mentioning that Hamas hides behind women and children, and then when women and children die the issue is framed as evidence of Israel’s moral bankruptcy.

The whole media charade gets even weirder when they take Israel to task for bulldozing homes without ever mentioning that Hamas digs tunnels underneath seemingly innocuous homes. Cable news viewers see a home being razed, but they don’t see the intricate tunnel systems under the home that were built with U.S. aid money meant for improving infrastructure.

If you want a glimpse into the Twilight Zone, keep watching CNN’s coverage of Israel’s military operations in Gaza. If you want a dose of reality, listen to men like Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.


  1. The last thing that the limousine liberal cool kids want is a dose of reality. They will keep watching CNN and parrot the PC party line that Israel is persecuting the so-called “Palestinian people” (a “people” created by the KGB in 1964). Just as they will go on blaming the NRA for crime (including stabbings and beatings). And just as they will go on admiring Emperor Obama’s new clothes.

    1. Exactly, Tom. There has never been a Palestinian state. A more accurate term would be Israeli Arabs. The Jews, unlike the Palestinians, have more or less lived in Israel for about 4,000 years and are the only people to worship the same God, have spoken the same language and lived in the same land for that time period. It was Israel’s Arab neighbors that refused to allow the Palestinians into their country in the first place, back in the 1940s.

      I always shake my head at people (such as Erin Burnett and Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters; the latter recently compared Israel to the Nazis, for Christ’s sake.) who support terrorist groups like Hamas and demonize Israel. It saddens me that people support them even though they hide rockets in schools, hospitals, homes and other places while demonizing Israel’s attempts to fight back against them. We’ve become a society of villain worshippers, for lack of a better term.

    2. [i]the PC party line[/i]
      RT is right-leaning (I’d say libertarian, personally) and they’ve been saying the exact same thing. Just the other day Abby Martin brought on Allison Weir to talk about how “dose poor opwessed Palestinians” have had their land stolen by the big bad Israel. Weir is the president of If Americans Knew, an organization which tells Americans what they already know (Israelis are cishet shitlords).

      [i]We’ve become a society of villain worshippers, for lack of a better term.[/i]
      It’s sad, isn’t it? This is pretty much the case for everything, even comics.

  2. Do you think anything is going to come out of this cycle, Doug? Every time something like this happens I keep expecting one side to take action but things always peter out (maybe this is because of Israel’s reluctance to do anything or because the world puts massive pressure on it, IDK). The Palestinian death toll is getting disturbingly high but I’m not sure if it will be enough of a catalyst for a ceasefire to be brokered or for Israel to take out HAMAS.

    If anything else, my sister told me she wanted to send Netanyahu a sex toy on his birthday so he could stick it in a very unpleasant area. I hope she never has to have a fantasy like that again.

    1. Nothing ever comes of it because Hamas does not want peace. Don’t believe me? Then just listen to Hamas:

      To Hamas it is “a dream” to live in peace because they must “keep on disturbing the Zionists” for all eternity. A “truce” is only on the table when they’re beaten down, and then they begin to prepare for war once again.

      If Israel put down all of its weapons tomorrow — if they magically gave them to Hamas — what would happen? If Hamas magically had all its weapons transferred to Israel’s hands, what would happen? In the first case Israel would be destroyed. In the second case, you’d have peace. That tells you everything you need to know. One side admits that it wants to “push the Jews into the sea,” while the other just wants to be left alone.

      UPDATE: Perfect timing on the “push the Jews into the sea” reference. Now even Muslims in Boston are calling for that to happen. You would think guys like this would keep a lower profile given that the Boston terrorist attack wasn’t all that long ago. I guess not.

  3. collective punishment and disproportionate force are international war crimes. Israel is an apartheid state. Boycott, divest, sanction.

    1. I guess we can add you to the list of radical progressives who equate Israel to “apartheid” South Africa, Lizard. You must’ve read Jimmy Carter’s idiotic book about Israeli “apartheid” one too many times. Or listened to Roger Waters’ anti-Semitic ramblings one too many times. It could be either one. I’m not surprised that you think that way, to be honest. Any comparison to “apartheid” is insane to the extreme and if you think that fighting back against Hamas terrorism is “war crimes,” I think you might have to get a few things checked out.

    2. I’m glad I live in America where I’m entitled the freedom to express my opinions. Boycott, divest, sanction. Like the Presbyterian church did.

    3. What does that have to do with the post exactly? All you’re doing is repeating a progressive meme (“boycott, divest, sanction;” real original there.) and a tired one at that.

    4. I’m glad I live in America where I’m entitled the freedom to express my opinions.”

      And here I thought you hated America. Looks like I was mistaken! Didn’t you once refer to this country as a collection of “political bottom feeders sucking down corporate cash?” Yes, you did. Do you routinely come up with insane conspiracy theories about “neo-cons” and Israel and the CIA, to name just three examples? Yes, you do.

  4. “…..You know I would suggest to these Presbyterian organizations to fly to the Middle East, come and see Israel for the embattled democracy that it is, and then take a bus tour, go to Libya, go to Syria, go to Iraq, and see the difference. And I would give them two pieces of advice, one is, make sure it’s an armor plated bus, and second, don’t say that you’re Christians.”

    This was the end part of PM Netanyahu’s answer when asked about the Presbyterian condemnation on Sunday….and he’s probably correct about the bus trip if you are Christian. A sad state of affairs for the whole region. If we hypothetically went with Lizard’s suggestion and the boycott worked where Israel went back to its 1967 border, would the rest of the region suddenly be peaceful towards Israel? If that answer is ‘no’, then doesn’t Israel have a right to defend itself?

    South African apartheid was against 88% of its own citizens with no outside threat (there was uneasiness with civil war in Angola, but apartheid was going on before that) , they seem two different situations to me.

  5. Doug tells us to listen to men like Netanyahu. well, it’s now known that Netanyahu knew that the 3 kidnapped teens were killed shortly after being abducted, and he knew it wasn’t Hamas. but instead of disclosing this, weeks of searching and weeks of public incitement occurred, and now here we are watching Israel’s disproportionate use of violence against a captive civilian population.

    Israel’s actions are not justifiable. Israel’s actions constitute war crimes, and the US is complicit. I don’t want one penny of my tax dollars siphoned to the apartheid state of Israel.

    1. Instead of expending his energies on the terrorist organization that has vowed to push the Jooooos into the sea at all costs, Lizard19 expends his time going after Netanyahu. Odd.

      Israel pulled out of Gaza years ago. If the people there are captive, it’s only because Hamas uses them as shields and uses aid money to build weapons-caches and tunnels instead of schools and hospitals. And the schools and hospitals that are in existence are used to hide weapons.

    2. so Netanyahu lying about Hamas being responsible for the murder of the 3 teens doesn’t matter to you?

    3. “What did Netanyahu know and when did he know it? Lizard19 wants to know!”

      See, you’re doing the Lizard19 thing again — the post is about Israel and Hamas (and Netanyahu’s crystal clear understanding of who they are and what they represent), and instead of talking about that, you want to make the conversation about the search for kidnapped Israeli teenagers, whether Hamas’ leadership was responsible, whether they were just Hamas members acting alone, etc. As usual, you want the conversation to veer off into what you want to talk about. No thanks.

      Even more comical is that you just throw out claims without providing any links, probably because you know that the truth is much more nuanced than “Liar! Liar! Liiiiiiar!”

    4. the fact Hamas wasn’t responsible for the event that sparked this most recent slaughter of mostly civilians is all over the media today. the fact reporters were gagged from reporting this is also undeniable. I’ll provide some links when I get back around a computer.

    5. “The fact” that Hamas lobs rockets into Israel on a daily basis has nothing to do with the military operation. It’s all about the dead Israeli kids. And the dead civilians have nothing to do with the fact that Hamas uses them as shields and uses hospitals, schools and mosques as weapons depots. Got it.

      From the Jerusalem Post:

      “Hamas has turned tunneling into a national profession. They lean on highly-skilled engineers to do this. We’re dealing with all of these threats through close-range combat,” the source added.

      Working with the Artillery Corps, the infantry brigades, and the air force, the source said the Maglan unit is helping to tear apart Hamas’s infrastructure, describing the process as “peeling an onion, layer after layer.”

      Hamas has built “defensive layers around the tunnels. They have attack positions in mosques, in the homes of operatives, and tunnels that allow terrorists to approach our forces,” he said. “That requires very accurate and sometimes aggressive counter-measures by us. I know that all of the IDF’s units are accomplishing this mission, even though there are casualties. We understand that if we do not deal with these threats, they will come to our home front. If you talk to members of our unit, it is clear to all of us that we don’t take care of this, if we don’t destroy these threats and thwart them, they will reach us in a much more aggressive way, and they will harm Israeli civilians and soldiers.” …

      “I have not entered one civilian home that did not have weapons, suicide belts, or booby traps in it. You can see the booby traps from the outside,” the source said. Any home found to be containing women and children leads to an immediate halt of the raid, he added. “We hold our fire, there’s no question. We don’t take chances with children and women. We allow them to leave, and then continue the raid. That’s who we are, and this is the source of our strength,” he added.

    6. Facts don’t matter to Lizard, Doug. They destroy the narrative about Israel being an “apartheid” state and Hamas “not being behind the kidnappings.” Odds are the links will be to far-left websites like the HuffPo, Counter Punch, the Daily Kos, etc. And maybe the UK Guardian (an anti-Semitic rag if there ever was one) thrown in for good measure.

    7. As Doctrine Man says, “Poke the badger enough, and the badger pokes back.” Israel has bent over backwards to live in peace, but Hamas doesn’t want peace. One needs to just listen to what Hamas officials say to their own people. One needs to just look at its charter. They don’t want peace — they want the destruction of Israel.

    8. The “it wasn’t Hamas” and “Netanyahu lied” memes apparently started with tweets by Sheera Frankel (Buzzfeed) and/or Jon Donnison (BBC) quoting an Israeli police officer as saying that a lone (Hamas) cell was responsible. “Lone cell” morphed into “rogue cell.” Then New York Magazine printed an article with the headline, “It Turns Out Hamas Didn’t Kidnap and Kill the 3 Israeli Teens After All.” Then Daily Kos jumped on the band wagon with, “Israel Admits Hamas Didn’t Kidnap the 3 Israeli Teens After All.”

      The NY Magazine article contradicts its own headline, and admits that the kidnappers were a Hamas cell. In the West Bank area, Hamas operates in loose cells, as opposed to Gaza, where Hamas is more centralized, and controls the entire territory. The Israeli police spokesperson denies using the term “lone” (or “rogue”) cell, and, anyway, it’s a stretch from “a lone cell” to saying that Hamas had absolutely nothing to do with it.

      And the media are trying to make it sound as if Netanyahu used the kidnappings as a pretext to attack Gaza. In fact, the current Israeli operation against Hamas is in response to rocket attacks, not the kidnappings.

    9. You are a more patient man than I am, Tom. Thanks for breaking it all down. 🙂

      And the media are trying to make it sound as if Netanyahu used the kidnappings as a pretext to attack Gaza. In fact, the current Israeli operation against Hamas is in response to rocket attacks, not the kidnappings.

      That goes back to the “poke the badger long enough” quote from earlier in the thread. Israel didn’t need some sort of magical excuse to go into Gaza militarily. The rocket attacks and the tunnels are reason enough alone. The more that comes out on those tunnels, the weirder it gets. How much U.N. aid was used on concrete for tunnels instead of concrete for schools, apartment buildings, hospitals, etc.? The whole situation is sad, but as was said earlier: as long as Hamas believes that it can only live with the complete destruction of Israel then nothing will change.

    10. We also know rockets were fired into Israel. We also know weapons caches and tunnels have been found. The tunnels didn’t just appear since the three teens were murdered; what are they for?

      It looks like Hamas was building up during the last truce, and are complicit also for this latest round of fighting.

  6. Patrick, the tunnels are a reaction to Israel’s blockade. Here is a list of some of the banned items:

    sage,cardamom, cumin, coriander, ginger, jam, halva, vinegar, nutmeg, chocolate, fruit preserves, seeds and nuts, biscuits and sweets, potato chips, gas for soft drinks, dried fruit, fresh meat, plaster, tar, wood for construction cement, iron, glucose, industrial salt plastic/glass/metal containers industrial margarine, tarpaulin sheets for huts fabric (for clothing), flavor and smell enhancers fishing rods

    here’s a link regarding Netanyahu’s exploiting the dead teens to whip up Israelis into a frenzy. From the link:

    From the moment three Israeli teens were reported missing last month, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the country’s military-intelligence apparatus suppressed the flow of information to the general public. Through a toxic blend of propaganda, subterfuge and incitement, they inflamed a precarious situation, manipulating Israelis into supporting their agenda until they made an utterly avoidable nightmare inevitable.

    Israeli police, intelligence officials and Netanyahu knew within hours of the kidnapping and murder of the three teens that they had been killed. And they knew who the prime suspects were less than a day after the kidnapping was reported.

    Rather than reveal these details to the public, Israel’s Shin Bet intelligence agency imposed a gag order on the national media, barring news outlets from reporting that the teens had almost certainly been killed, and forbidding them from revealing the identities of their suspected killers. The Shin Bet even lied to the parents of the kidnapped teens, deceiving them into believing their sons were alive.

    this “war” is not to destroy tunnels. it’s an attempt to destroy the recent alliance between Fatah and Hamas.

    1. Patrick, remember: Israel will not allow “fresh meat” into Gaza, but “rotten meat” is okay.

      The tunnels also have nothing to do with smuggling in weapons. It’s all about chocolate bars, seeds and dried fruit. These are not the drones you are looking for…

    2. Yep, a link from the rabidly anti-Semitic (not to mention anti-American) Guardian. I called it.

      It does have to do with smuggling weapons. Whoever wrote that article is living in an alternate reality.

    3. According to, Hamas used 800,000 tons of cement (one of the banned items) to build the tunnels. BTW, they used child labor to do the construction work, and 160 children have been killed while working in the tunnels.

    4. I was channel surfing earlier today, and Wolf Blitzer was in one of the tunnels; the Israelis told him that the cement used was allowed thru in cooperation with the UN and ment for schools/hospitals and things of that nature. Part of the tunnel had the leftover bags for the cement mix, which is how they knew its origin.

      It seems any raw material is used against Israel, which explains the “why” of the blockade. Lizard had mentioned the natural gas field. The article states that a team of British geologists “found” it quite a while ago, it’s actually in the sea off Gaza’s coast. I can’t blame Israel for trying to get the contracts for it if all the proceeds would otherwise fund acts against Israel. Gaza’s leadership has shown it will not use assets to help its own innocent civilians, that is where the problem lies.

    5. I said earlier, a bad situation all around, for Jews, Muslim, and Christian alike. Cheesy as this may sound, I find it heartbreaking Palestinian kids can’t play soccer and have a coke/candybar with their friends and enjoy things many of us took for granted growing up. Yet another generation lost.

      Unfortunately the tunnels are being used to store weapons now. These tunnels emanate from or lead to homes, why are the Palestinian side putting kids at risk? They are the ones who dug them in these locations.

      I actually agree that the Fatah/Hamas deal plays a huge part in this. But I get back to my earlier question, will they leave Israel alone if they go back to previous borders? As linked above with the charter and “push back to the sea” sentiment, the answer seems not. If that is a Fatah/Hamas goal, then that is why the “war” is waged.

      I’d be curious to see a “banned product” list from around the region that ban things from its own citizens.

    6. Patrick, I’m sure there are weapons moving through the tunnels. but why is there even a blockade? because the people in Gaza VOTED for Hamas, and since then they have been collectively punished for that expression of democracy.

      Israel wants more settlements, they want the natural gas in Gaza and they want to dismantle Hamas for good.

      what Israel is doing is incremental genocide on a population trapped in an open concentration camp.

      anyway, thank you for having a reasonable conversation with me.

    7. because the people in Gaza VOTED for Hamas, and since then they have been collectively punished for that expression of democracy.

      When you vote for an organization that openly states that its end-game is the destruction of Israel, then you shouldn’t be surprised when Israel acts to protect itself from that threat. When the guy you voted for uses the emergency room in the local hospital to store rockets, then you shouldn’t be surprised when the hospital is eventually destroyed by the Israeli Air Force.

    8. I’d be curious to see a “banned product” list from around the region that ban things from its own citizens.

      Very interesting question. 🙂

      I would also ask why Israel bans certain goods. For instance, say a certain company is found out by Israel to be smuggling weapons in crates typically used for “food x” or “material x.” Israel could then ban anything from that company going into Gaza, but the end result would be a guy like Lizard saying, “Israel is so mean it doesn’t allow canned olives into Gaza!” There has to be a reason why “x” is banned; it’s not just a bunch of Jooooooos sitting around a table saying, “Heh. Heh. Heh. Let’s see how they like it if we cut off crunchy peanut butter…”

  7. hey Doug, what would you do if someone tried to forcefully remove you from your property? would you fight back?

    1. You mean that desert wasteland that the Jews built into a bustling nation? Is that what you’re talking about? Why do you continue to ignore the fact that Hamas’ stated goal is the complete destruction of Israel? It’s kind of weird, unless you agree with its members that Israel should be wiped off the planet. Is that your stance?

      PS: I see Hamas is now doing business with Kim Jong-un, because everyone knows that when you have the moral high ground that you resort to arms deal with the guy who oversees the world’s worst police state.

      Hamas militants are attempting to negotiate a new arms deal with North Korea for missiles and communications equipment that will allow them to maintain their offensive against Israel, according to Western security sources.

      Security officials say the deal between Hamas and North Korea is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and is being handled by a Lebanese-based trading company with close ties to the militant Palestinian organisation based in east Beirut.

      Hamas officials are believed to have already made an initial cash down payment to secure the deal, and are now hoping that North Korea will soon begin shipping extra supplies of weapons to Gaza.

      “Hamas is looking for ways to replenish its stocks of missiles because of the large numbers it has fired at Israel in recent weeks,” explained a security official. “North Korea is an obvious place to seek supplies because Pyongyang already has close ties with a number of militant Islamist groups in the Middle East.”

    2. so you support incremental genocide because of rhetoric? Nice. could you provide a link where Hamas has explicitly stated its intention to wipe Israel off the map?

    3. I already provided on link earlier in the conversation, where a Hamas member of parliament says peace is just a Zionist “dream” and that any “truce” is just a temporary pause until its ready for the next engagement. My goodness, man. Really? Use Google. It works. Hamas is quite open about its desire to push the Joooooos into the sea. Heck, I even linked to our good Muslim friends in Boston saying the exact same thing. I guess you didn’t watch that link, either.

    4. then I guess they all need to be exterminated…is that Israel’s final solution?

    5. Interesting use of “final solution” and Jews. I’ll take that as a clear sign that you have nothing left to add to the discussion. Your time in this thread is just about up.

      Update: I normally wouldn’t add this, but the since Lizard19 wants to couple “final solution” and Jews together in the very specific way he did, I’ll make an exception. His comment within the context of this discussion already telegraphs what type of guy he is, but I want to hammer it home just a tad more.

      Here’s the deal: Even his fellow bloggers out in Montana can’t stand him. I highly suggest reading James Conner’s piece on why he took Lizard19 off his blogroll. I’ll give you a few excerpts:

      For me, the last straw is the set of posts and comments on the shootdown of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over the separatist held Ukrainian areas that abut Russia. There’s no doubt in my mind that the Boeing 777 was brought down by a surface-to-air missile, very little to no reasonable doubt that the launch button was pushed by the separatists, possible with Russian help, and every reason to believe that the shootdown was an accident (but still a war crime).

      Lizard and JC disagree, which is their right — and a right that I’ll defend. But their arguments verge on hysteria. They don’t trust the mainstream media, such as the New York Times, the Washington Post, or the Guardian. They seem to see a conspiracy behind every sunflower. They hate the United States and its government with a black bile that corrodes their judgment.

      4and20blackbirds has become an alternate reality blog, a realm of conspiracy theories and rants by angry leftists driven by hatred of their nation and soured on humanity. Once an oasis of fact and reason, it’s now a well poisoned by fury and anti-Americanism. I can no longer in good conscience keep it on Flathead Memo’s blogroll.

      And just in case you’re wondering if Mr. Conner is my ideological clone, I think it’s safe to say that he is not. His “about” section states:

      Flathead Memo is not a mouthpiece for anyone else or any organization. I’m the sole funder, writer, editor, and designer-webmaster. I’m a Democrat, but not a Democratic blogger. Democrats and Republicans alike tend to toss down a stiff bourbon to steel themselves for what they sometimes consider my latest outrage.

      Note: Emphasis added.

  8. nope, there’s not much more for me to add. you seem to think Israel is justified to commit any atrocity it feels necessary to “defend” itself.

    1. Notice, dear readers, how the word “defend” is in quotation marks — because rockets and missiles lobbed into cities and stored in hospitals, mosques, schools and civilian homes does not constitute a threat to Israel…or something.

      Since we’re both in agreement about your contribution to the discussion, perhaps I’ll see you in another thread.

      Mr. “final solution” is now officially done in terms of comments that will show up in this post.

    2. Wow. Even his fellow Montana bloggers- and a fellow liberal, no less, can’t stand him? I had no idea, but then I’m not familiar with the blogosphere of that state.

    3. Yes, a reader filled me in on that post and then after the “final solution” crack I was like, “You know what, I’m going to highlight this thing. It really is quite telling.”

    4. And I agree- the violation of Godwin’s law (comparing Israel to the Nazis by bringing up the term “final solution” really telegraphs his true nature.

    5. It is very telling. That, and the disgusting “political bottom feeders sucking down corporate cash” comment from last year really shed light on who he is. Not to mention the “I wish you never procreate” comments as well. I haven’t forgotten that, especially since it was directed at me personally.

    6. I’ve been trying my best to let him turn the page, but when a guy busts out with very peculiar references to the Jews and a “final solution,” it becomes difficult. I point to multiple instances where Hamas and its supporters openly discuss the desire to wipe Israel off the face of the map, and his comeback is to make a Nazi reference and then link in to the Israelis in bizarre fashion. Totally inappropriate.

    7. Sadly I’ve personally known people who exhibited similar views. One liberal clown I knew from high school (who would later join the military just so he could collect benefits; he was, I believe, what they call a “Blue Falcon”\”) claimed that “Jewish masters” were “using mind control to beam your conservative views into your head.” I kid you not.

  9. The Jews built a wasteland “into a bustling nation.” If it had been the other way around-that is, if Palestine had been a garden, and if the Jews had taken it over and allowed it to deteriorate into a wasteland-then the coffee shop intellectuals in the US and Britain would probably be militant Zionists, sympathizing with the Israelis and demanding that the US provide them with unlimited aid. Especially if the Jews blamed their poverty on us, and had a stated goal of destroying Western civilization.

    Of course, criticism of Israel is not necessarily anti-Semitism, just as criticism of Obama is not necessarily racist. Israel allows freedom of speech, and you can probably find more criticism of Israeli government policies in the Israeli media than you can find criticism of Obama administration policy in the American media.

    But Natan Sharansky’s “3D test” helps to distinguish between legitimate dissent and anti-Semitism. 1. Delegitimization (denying Israel’s very right to exist). 2. Double standards (condemning the IDF for shooting back at terrorists, but condoning or ignoring aggression by Hamas, the PLO, Russia, and Red China). 3. Demonization, comparing Israelis to Nazis. Like calling Gaza a concentration camp, and accusing Israel of seeking a “final solution.”

    1. Tom, you never cease to amaze me. You just got major cool points for reading Sharansky. “The Case for Democracy” was a great book and every day I walk past my bookshelf I look at “Defending Identity.” 🙂 I think I have the former at my parent’s house in my old bedroom somewhere. I need to find that thing…

    2. That’s definitely someone whose books I’ll have to search for sometime. I’d definitely say that many anti-Israel people fall into the last two categories, including Mr. “Final Solution.”

      As for the Arabic presence in Israel, that only goes back to the seventh century. They took the Holy Land by force. The Palestinians claim they’re descended from the Jebusites, a Canaanite tribe and the original inhabitants of Jerusalem prior to King David’s reign, but the truth is Muslims didn’t show up in the region until the seventh century.

    3. Thanks. Ancient history is very interesting. I’ve always subscribed the theory that the Bible does paint a mostly accurate history of the region, contrary to the current trend toward “Biblical minimalism” (or revisionism) that downplays the 4,000-plus year Jewish presence in Israel.

      Sort of related: the other day when my sister was over, she flipped out when my dad and I were talking about the Israel-Hamas conflict and apparently later wrote “Anyone who has a problem with Muslims will have me to answer to!” on Facebook. Ironic, since she doesn’t have a problem with bashing Christians and comparing them to Islamist extremists and implying that religious people “are mentally ill.” Except Islamists, of course. Also ironic: her boyfriend is a secular Jew, albeit one with strong pro-Hamas sympathies if his comments about wanting to “collect Israeli scalps” were any indication.

    4. Carl, my friend…your sister is something else. Has your sister seen any of the ISIL beheading videos? I doubt it. I have. They’re not pleasant. I don’t “have a problem” with Muslims; I have a problem with people who chop of heads when they’re angry, fly airliners into large metropolitan areas, and strap on underwear bombs on Christmas day while flying over Detroit.

      Warning: GRAPHIC CONTENT.

    5. That was beyond monstrous. My God. I don’t “have a problem” with Muslims, either; I do have a problem with monsters who chop off people’s heads for simply believing in a different faith.. And these are the people my sister and her loser boyfriend support over the Israelis. I personally doubt that she has seen the video; I imagine that she would claim “it was made up by white right-wing Christians to demonize a legitimate political movement.” She’s more concerned with demonizing Christians and the IDF (she also called Bar Rafaeli a “whore”) and throwing tantrums about Sea World.

    6. Sorry to share that. I wasn’t sure if you’d watch or not. I’ve seen those sorts of videos before (you have to know as much about your enemy as possible in order to defeat him), but that one made me rather uncomfortable. These are some sick and twisted souls.

    7. It’s alright. I watched it primarily for the reasons you stated: to know your enemy. Plus, it gives me ammunition against my sister.

      And Bar Rafaeli and Gal Gadot both tweeted support for the IDF, and Bar gets labelled a “baby killer” and was told “the Nazis should’ve finished what they started” by Hamas supporters. And they were mocked for speaking out about it. Gee, they’re both attractive, successful Israeli-born women who support their country’s fight against terror. What a concept!

    8. As for my sister’s boyfriend’s “Israeli scalps” comment, I can’t remember exactly when he said it, but it was fairly recently. I overheard him telling her how “my people have Palestinian blood on their hands, and I feel guilty for that. I’d love to go over there, fight for the Hamas and collect some Israeli scalps.” Even though he’s way too much of a coward and would probably squeal like a baby if he was anywhere near a gun, that just further cemented my dislike of this clown

    9. Haha. Yes, my experience has always been that guys who talk tough like that are usually the ones crying like a baby or running for the door when they’re actually faced with the possibility of real pain or danger.

      My first experience with that actually came during basic training. During a training exercise we were “ambushed,” and the Drill Sergeants gassed us. You’re suppose to stop what you’re doing, put your mask on, clear it, and then resume firing, bounding toward the enemy, etc. Well, I started to return fire and suddenly realized, “Wait a second…I’m all alone!” The rest of my team literally ran for the hills when the gas canisters popped off! It scared the heck out of me to think that I might have to really fight next to them one day. Hopefully, they became better soldiers.

      The second experience came when I was in Macedonia. We were on a Q.R.F. (Quick Reaction Force), and there were reports of gunfire along the border with Serbia. It could have been anything, and our team was sent to check it out. Yes, this was pre-911, but the fact remained that there was real gunfire and we didn’t know what we’d find when the helicopter landed. As we were getting into the helicopter, all the guys who always “talked shit” about how awesome they were and how “hard core” they were … had tears in their eyes. They were crying or they looked like they might soil themselves at any second. It was a very, very eye-opening experience.

      It turned out that it was a farmer who was hunting deer and other animals with an AK-47! Who the heck hunts with an AK-47?

  10. Holy cow! Go to work and out with friends for a while, and I miss a lot! Guess that took a turn for the worse.

    I think it clear that the issue is Hamas’ stated goal of eradicating Israel. I don’t think anyone here is against “John Q Public Palestinan”, unfortunately Hamas is against every Israeli, and until that changes, there will be conflict.

  11. Wow, that got bad fast. I think Lizard does not even realize how offensive he is. I mentioned that very thing in another discussion in blog a while back because the other blog writer did not seem to see anything wrong with his posts. I think that some people cannot see past their own ideas to see their own cognitive dissonance.

  12. The conflict with Israel is a continuation of people’s hatred and intolerance of anyone not bowing to their particular brand of Muslim belief. Israel is a civilized nation with Western values that is surrounded by Islamic fanaticism. Israel deserves the right to not only exist, but to triumph over our common enemies. Israel deserves the support of all civilized Peoples in the West and throughout the world.
    The question is do we have the courage to stand with them anymore? Does the president really care?

  13. And another thing about my sister: she pretends to be tolerant of people, but when it comes to Christianity or opposing views, she’s about as intolerant as you can get. Apparently my cousin is converting to Mormonism after being raised Catholic. Which is cool, and I’ve no problem with it, as long as it makes her happy. But my sister indirectly mocked her for it (via a text message with my mom) and said, “she may be happy, but she’s an idiot because I don’t know why anyone would believe in something so transparently false and in a racist religion.”

    Which shows how little my sister knows about Mormonism; I know a little due to knowing a few in high school. I also know that Mormons faced some persecution when they first appeared. As for the “racist” part, apparently my sister has never heard of Mia Love or Gladys Knight, both of whom are black Mormon women.

    1. Every Mormon I have ever met has been extremely nice to me. When I worked at Heritage I had quite a few Moron interns pass through, and they were always good kids. I have nothing bad to say about any of them. With that said, I have been told that “Under the Banner of Heaven,” by Jon Krakauer is a good book that isn’t very friendly towards certain aspects of the faith. I have not read the book, but a friend of mine told me it was a very interesting read. Take that for what it’s worth.

      My guess is that your cousin (whether Catholic or Mormon) is probably a lot further on, spiritually, than your sister. From what I’ve heard about your sister, it seems as though she is filled with pride, envy, jealousy and wrath. Perhaps I’m wrong…but that is what has come across in the stories you’ve shared with me in the comments section thus far.

    2. “Every Mormon I have ever met has been extremely nice to me. When I worked at Heritage I had quite a few Moron interns pass through, and they were always good kids. I have nothing bad to say about any of them.”

      Same here. Every Mormon I’ve known has been extremely friendly. There is actually an LDS church in the adjacent county, less than 20 or so miles from where I live. The aforementioned Mormon classmates of mine from high school attended church there. I always got along with them well.

      “My guess is that your cousin (whether Catholic or Mormon) is probably a lot further on, spiritually, than your sister. From what I’ve heard about your sister, it seems as though she is filled with pride, envy, jealousy and wrath. Perhaps I’m wrong…but that is what has come across in the stories you’ve shared with me in the comments section thus far.”

      I would say that my cousin is. That side of the family (my mom’s side) has always been pretty religious. My mom was raised Catholic, although she converted to Lutheranism (my default religion) after marrying my dad. Like I said, I have no issue whatsoever with my cousin converting to Mormonism. If it makes her happy, I don’t care. And really, what my cousin does with her life is none of my sister’s business.

      As for my sister, your assessment of her is spot-on. For someone who has lectured me (and my dad) for being “hateful” simply because I disagree with her on various issues, she sure has no problem hating people she deems inferior, such as religious people (except Muslims, because people “will have her to answer to.”). I can’t fathom being that full of hate. It’s especially ironic when you consider our Lutheran upbringing, the fact that her and I both attended Lutheran school initially, (although we stopped going to Church regularly in 2002) and the fact that in high school she regularly attended church every Tuesday or Wednesday with a couple of her basketball teammates.

      It doesn’t help that my liberal relatives (name and her loser boyfriend help encourage her bad behavior, motivated largely by their hatred of my dad, the only person who has ever had the guts to stand up to them. When my parents kicked them out of the house after two days, back in March, her boyfriend yelled at my dad when he was calling them out, telling him in part, “leave her alone, you f***ing fascist.” My dad gave him a pretty epic verbal beatdown. Although, if I had been in the room at that particular moment, I would’ve probably lost my cool and punched her idiot boyfriend for being rude to my dad, although I know that would’ve caused further problems.

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